i was actually hoping you guys would see a different point of view. we have the power to influence the world trough what they see in our works.

Full ack. As I said, even if I don

Right.. Instead, listen to those who would use illegal immigrants for slave labor, while price gouging us in ever way possible to increase profits at the expense of the people.

What the hell has that got to do with a global warming topic?

...meanwhile, back on topic -

CO2 is not even the main the main greenhouse gas.
Water vapour is by far the main greenhouse gas, CO2 is a few percent of total greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and humans produce a minuscule amount of that CO2 compared to natural sources.
That makes the total contribution of humans to greenhouse gasses laughable.

Furthermore, and most importantly, the co2 in the atmosphere, including the tiny percentage of it that we produce, has got nothing to to with temperature increases in the first place.

All studies show that more CO2 in the atmosphere does NOT cause temperature increases. It’s the exact opposite. Warmer temperatures cause more CO2 to be prodcued.
This is because most co2 is produced by the oceans, and warmer water releases more c02.

So the cycle is thusly -
More sun activity (flares, sunspots) causes fluctuations in the solar wind, the amount of solar wind hitting the earth affects the amount of water vapour, the amount of water vapour affects the amount of cloud formation, and the amount of cloud formation affects the temperatures.
At the bottom of the scale, and least important, is the CO2. It is caused by warmer temperatures.

i think baroody was trying to point out the fact that beacuse of some countries that produce and consume too much, the harm we do to our environment is obviosly significant. through the process of creating so many objects u produce also a lot of harmful effects for the planet. and i am not a scientist, but i can agree to the fact that the human race has helped produce some part of this problem. Otherwise you wouldnt see important country leaders on the TV and internet asking ppl to stop consuming so much…

you geeks make things so complicated....global warming is real....and yes we humans are the major cause of it......so what can we do?

Plant some trees
Get a hybrid car
Don’t drive any car
Take the bus or walk or ride a bike

I do some of these already because the though scares me....but as an artist I want to do some work that put this massage out.

I say we open a new Thread for art thats on this issue and try to express yourself so others can see how serious this really is.

its a start...........

"Some people fight...some people bleed”

Idiot.

"Some people fight...some people bleed”

oh-oh, here we go again…

In my opinion I think its a bit of a blinkered view to believe that human activity has had no bearing on climate change over the last 150 years, but then you can argue either way with different facts and figures (sometimes with the same facts and figures).

What happens in fifty years IF the naysayers are proven correct? It would be a bit late to change things then.

That’s not how science should be done.  I want to see solid proof first, not media scare stories. This whole thing has become a political bandwagon, and not only that, but its fucking over developing countries, such as in Africa, who are being told they cannot use their follisl fuel deposits, but must use alternatives -alternatives they can’t afford.
While the world’s ‘climate experts’ ponce off to some swanky Nairobi hotel for yet another handshaking conference that’s costing millions, a few miles away people are living in huts with nothing but an open fire for their lighting, heating and cooking needs, and being told by said ‘experts’ they have to use solar panels.

Here are a group of scientists who believe that global warming is happening and is attributable to human activity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

and here is a link to a group of scientists who believe that global warming is either a natural occurrence or a fallacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci...essment_of_global_warming

Who is right? I don’t know and I doubt that a bunch of mudboxers wil ever figure it out. But i think that earth is far more resilient than we give her credit for. She is going to be alright. I don’t believe the gloom and doom scenarios, but that being said, I think that we should conscientiously be looking for cleaner less destructive energy. Just because the earth can take a punch, doesn’t mean we should be trying to knock her out.

Oddity, I think you have misconception about solar energy. Solar panels are really cheap these days and the prices are continually dropping. And you only pay for them once.
When you buy fossil fuels, you pay endlessly (monthly, weekly), and the cost is, war, the destruction of lives and the land, and possibly global warming. Those people living in huts, if they could afford to pay for fossil fuels, would be better off spending their money on a 200 dollar solar panel.

This whole thing has become a political bandwagon, and not only that, but its fucking over developing countries, such as in Africa, who are being told they cannot use their fossil fuel deposits, but must use alternatives -alternatives they can’t afford.

This is bullshit.

But i think that earth is far more resilient than we give her credit for. She is going to be alright.

This is true, the planet will be quite happy whilst we continue to wipe ourselves out.

Whether you believe in global warming or not, fossil fuels are going to expire pretty soon.