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That doesn’t mean anything though. It’s not an answer to everyone’s question. It would be like saying that since the Combustion map is still being included inside 3ds max, including the most recent 64 bit version, then that must mean there is going to be a 64bit version of Combustion.

Jim,

Bad example.  Eye-on did something quite similar.  I shelled out $850 for Vue 6 Infinite and less than one month later, they come out with Vue 7 Inifnite - no new features, but double the price.  They wanted me to fork out $600 to upgrade to Vue 7 Infinite.  I had owned it for less than 30 days!  No grace period and they don’t give a crap.

Oh, yeah, and it crashes on every computer system I have within 10 minutes.

Bad example.

Mike

Hey Guys,

Combustion as , Bones said is mature. It is still selling and so who know what the future holds. However as someone else said it need to fix some issues, but I think overall C* is at an end. Time to think of other apps, if it is not meeting your expectations.

IT does work on 64 bit systems very well, even Windows 7. So if it does meet your expectations. Then you are good to go. So MAX 2010 and combustion will work just fine together.

Cheers

Mark Rasmussen
Compositor | Consultant
Enigma Studios Inc
Enigma Studios London (UK) Ltd

http://www.toxikblog.blogspot.com

You’ve got Max and Combustion working well in 64 bits, and have experienced no trouble...are you using the operator within Max 2010?  Are you successfully using the full links between the two?

I’m interested in hearing what I (and others) am doing wrong here, because it seems to me that at least one major integration point is now non-functional.

Jim Todd
Coloma, MI
(home of Deer Forest!!!)

The Combustion Map doesn’t work in 3ds Max 2010 64 bit even though it’s included with Max in the interface as a map you can select like normal. The live connection link between 3ds Max 32 bit and Combustion hasn’t worked correctly for the last few versions at least, that I’m aware of. You have to restart the connection to see an update take place which defeats the purpose of having a live update feature, and when trying to paint the position of the stroke resets to the corner of the map regardless if you started there or not.

In the online feature with video demonstration of Combustion it showcases this ability :(. Wish it would work. It’s one of the reasons why I had bought Combustion.

Sorry, guys, I was not talking about the interoperability between the two products in that way. I did not say that, I said they work well together, as in, they both work within the OS 64 bit world. I was not clear, perhaps. Sorry. I personally do not use that work flow. Never have, so I can not help you in that area.

Cheers

Mark Rasmussen
Compositor | Consultant
Enigma Studios Inc
Enigma Studios London (UK) Ltd

http://www.toxikblog.blogspot.com

Autodesk could generate a lot of good will to existing customers by offering a cheap upgrade path for existing Combustion license holders to Tokix. In real terms it would cost them very little money. We have 4 licenses of Combustion in my office, but with such pathetic recent development to the software we have no intention of getting our fingers burned again by Autodesk. Therefore we will be switching wholesale to After Effects, Fusion or Nuke, depending on how our internal testing goes.

Whether or not Toxik is in fact the superior product is irrelevant to use, we feel like we have been badly treated and will now look elsewhere

edit: double post madness

With history as my guide, I can’t imagine Autodesk doing a single thing for Combustion owners.  And I think even ignoring the history and just looking only at Combustion, I would see no move on their part to do something good for the customers.

I look at it this way

1) They have put out hints that it’s not dead, despite the fact that it is - deceptive

2) They have done NOTHING, not a thing, to develop/patch Combustion, including leaving the map in Max broken - pathetic

3) Other than those deceptive hints seemingly intended to keep the ignorant buying this dead product, they have given no INFORMATION on Combustion

So if they won’t even devote the energy to giving INFO, I doubt they will make any kind of other move to make Combustion users happy.

I guess for me it goes far deeper than just switching to After Effects...I wanted a sketchbook program, and had demos of Corel’s product and Autodesk’s...worked with them both, and both had strengths and weaknesses...because of their history up to and including Combustion, I went with the Corel product, because I KNEW - yes, KNEW - that there was a strong chance the Corel would continue to develop their product, and an equally strong chance that Autodesk would add Sketchbook Pro to their long list of abandoned technologies.  So have they lost me in terms of Combustion?  Of course - but they don’t care because they’ve moved on.  But they will continue to lose money from me going forward, and when they next decide to ‘dabble’ in something, forget having me buy in - fool me once…

Autodesk does not have a culture that supports sticking with a product beyond their base lines.  Anyone who buys something not in their small set of core products is a fool if they go in expecting/assuming that AD will continue to develop that product.

Jim Todd
Coloma, MI
(home of Deer Forest!!!)